Development quotes of the week
I mean, come on. It took years for vim to win the editor wars. We don't have time to waste on another debate like that ;)
Linux has become the vegetable we batter in proprietary software and deep fry--sure more people will eat it that way but it's not nearly as good for you. Over time we've all started eating our vegetables that way and it's made our community unhealthy. In our healthier days we fought and won against proprietary software giants like Microsoft, Sun, and Oracle, but in the meantime our appetites have changed and other giants have taken their place.
Posted Dec 7, 2017 10:08 UTC (Thu)
by halla (subscriber, #14185)
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Weirdly enough, their last mention of GIMP tells us how easy it is to install on OSX, and how awesome that is...
Posted Dec 7, 2017 17:50 UTC (Thu)
by tome (subscriber, #3171)
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Well, maybe in one sense, but like the cold war, it's not really over. Emacs is arguably a better vim than vim now, and there is a huge and growing vim expat community adopting emacs. I've always said using a non-modal editor is plain dumb, and I still do, while using emacs.
Sorry I couldn't just let a dead dog lie.
Posted Dec 7, 2017 18:28 UTC (Thu)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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(I hope that was a joke. :) )
Posted Dec 8, 2017 14:08 UTC (Fri)
by tome (subscriber, #3171)
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All kidding aside, I was serious about one point. Vim is my preferred editor but I use the emacs implementation. So much so that my life would very seriously suck without evil, evil-leader, and hydra (which transcends vim). So much so that I feel deep reverence and gratitude for both vim and emacs. And war is fun.
Posted Dec 7, 2017 20:35 UTC (Thu)
by flussence (guest, #85566)
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Posted Dec 8, 2017 17:42 UTC (Fri)
by Jandar (subscriber, #85683)
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Posted Dec 8, 2017 20:45 UTC (Fri)
by tome (subscriber, #3171)
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Posted Dec 15, 2017 17:29 UTC (Fri)
by flussence (guest, #85566)
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Posted Dec 17, 2017 22:50 UTC (Sun)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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Posted Dec 18, 2017 6:28 UTC (Mon)
by neilbrown (subscriber, #359)
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Posted Dec 18, 2017 8:17 UTC (Mon)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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I don't think we needed vi to figure out that the cursor keys should be near one another on the keyboard. Indeed, if the cursor keys were actually patterned on vi, they would all be in a horizontal row, but they usually aren't.
In fact, the vi arrangement makes a lot of sense if you consider that when vi was new, there was no guarantee that your terminal would have separate dedicated cursor keys at all (this incidentally is also why we have modes in vi to begin with). Emacs, OTOH, can get away with the “mnemonic” movement keys because by the time (GNU) Emacs came around, keyboards generally came with dedicated cursor keys, so the need for a vi-style movement key pattern on the main keyboard was less dire.
Posted Dec 19, 2017 19:01 UTC (Tue)
by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A#/media/File:KB_Termi...
Posted Dec 7, 2017 23:35 UTC (Thu)
by pjtait (subscriber, #17475)
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So what is this "core concept" you're talking about? Because if I had to guess I'd say modes, and that hasn't caught on at all, really. In fact I'd say that most people put up with vi for the same reason people use Notepad on Windows: because it's installed by default, and for a machine that you don't work with on a regular basis, you wouldn't bother installing a decent editor.
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emacs has n, p, f, b (all with control held down). which is not very ergonomical.
vi uses h,j,k,l which is much more sensible.
This concept has "permeated everything around it", where "everything" is the keyboard. Modern keyboard have 4 arrow keys all close together - obviously a lesson learned not from emacs, but from vi. World domination achieved.
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