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Propose feature for troubleshooting running pods #35584
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* Is this compatible with Admission control plugins that restrict what images | ||
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* Would it be possible to Image Exec into pods that are in a terminal state to | ||
determine why they've failed? |
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what security context is used by the new container? how does that interact with PodSecurityPolicy?
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Adding a container to a running pod would be a large change to Kubernetes, and | ||
there are several edge cases to consider such as resource limits and monitoring. |
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and admission that locks security context at pod creation time
Good idea, but need to iron out many details. Here are the several ones from the top of my head:
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Per my comments on sig-node meeting:
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I agree that this requires discoverability by the API. The status of this container is important. A few things:
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Summarizing feedback from SIG Node meetup: @derekwaynecarr added a firm requirement for ability to introspect container images The following questions were addressed:
The following open questions were added:
An alternative proposed during the meeting was to allowing adding a container to the podspec. This would be a larger change, but perhaps also more worthwhile. It could be simplified by introducing a new type of ephemeral container similar to the implementation of init-containers. We ran out of time before discussing whether this solution could meet the other requirements such as container filesystem access. It's not clear where to go next, so I'm going to work on addressing some of the questions raised by the feedback and try to estimate how much work would be required to support modifying the podspec of a running pod. |
We've discussed the possibility of new container types before and have been On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Lee Verberne notifications@github.com
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There was weak consensus that it's reasonable to expect users to include resources consumed by an kubectl exec in the initial pod sizing.
This might be acceptable for an initial implementation, but I think it's far from ideal. If you're running a very large cluster, e.g. 50,000 pods, even a small constant overhead will add up very quickly. It also requires a lot of foresight, which can't always be counted on when debugging something that failed.
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IDs to "link" to the newly created container, but then we'd have to repeat the | ||
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I think this might be unavoidable. If the container runtime uses something other than linux namespaces for isolation (e.g. VM containers), the Kubelet wouldn't be able to manage it.
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That's an interesting point. How would pods look under VM containers? Would they still have a shared (e.g. network) namespace somehow? Or would they be pods in name only?
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@verb e.g. for hyper, all containers belonging to the same Pod is running at same VM, and they share same network namespace. And different Pods are running at different VMs.
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can run on a cluster? | ||
* Would it be possible to Image Exec into pods that are in a terminal state to | ||
determine why they've failed? |
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From the sig-node meeting:
- What happens if the connection is dropped?
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I looked into this a little today. The current behavior in exec is that the process continues to run but there doesn't seem to be any way to reattach to it. It doesn't get a signal and stdin is left open. My prototype for image exec behaves the same.
A debug container would behave the same, except perhaps that it could be attached with kubectl attach
, with the kubelet removing the container when the pod is destroyed or when the process exits (potentially relying on the runtime to support automatically removing the container a la "docker run --rm")
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there are several edge cases to consider such as resource limits and monitoring. | ||
Adding a volume to a running container would be a smaller change, but it would | ||
still be larger than the proposed change and we'd have to figure out how to | ||
build and distribute a volume of binaries. |
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Related: #831
@smarterclayton Whom could I contact to ask about Huawei's and Red Hat's use cases? |
Status update: I was able to prototype adding a container to the spec of a running pod with surprisingly little effort. I need to think through the consequences and edge cases, but I'm optimistic this might be a cleaner solution. Some thoughts regarding the problem I'm trying to solve:
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The security and scheduling implications of making the pod spec mutable are concerning. Much has been built on the write-once nature of the security context, volume, port, and resource aspects of the pod spec. |
Not being able to clean up terminated pods immediately will have lots of On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Jordan Liggitt notifications@github.com
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Having to manage exec sessions via the API has been something I've been On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Clayton Coleman ccoleman@redhat.com
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and docker_manager, or we could save effort by linking this feature to the CRI | ||
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@verb Could you please add a note for hypervisor based runtime like https://github.com/hyperhq/hyperd here or other place? Generally we think this will not break hypervisor based runtimes (though may require refactoring on their own side), but we should definitely keep them in mind.
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Sure, I will definitely add a note about hypervisor based runtimes since it's come up multiple times. It's my intention, though, that any runtime implementing the CRI will be supported without modification (though we might have to add one or two small things to the CRI to accomplish that). This section is specifically about the 2 non-CRI runtimes that are implemented directly in the kubelet.
@smarterclayton's idea of exec sessions would address a lot of the usability concerns I have with modifying the podspec as a troubleshooting solution. I'm going to look a bit more into pod/container lifecycles then update the doc. |
Adding label:do-not-merge because PR changes docs prohibited to auto merge |
/release-note-none @k8s-bot node e2e test this (doesn't matter sense this will be closed here and merged into the community repo, but it takes the red X off my dashboard) |
* Enable troubleshooting of minimal container images | ||
* Allow troubleshooting of containers in `CrashLoopBackoff` | ||
* Improve supportability of native Kubernetes applications | ||
* Enable novel uses of short-lived containers in pods |
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+1 this should not be a goal.
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The status of a *debug container* is reported in a new `DebugContainerStatuses` | ||
field of `PodStatus`, which is a read-only list of `ContainerStatus` that | ||
contains an entry for every *debug container* that has ever run in this pod, and |
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If many debug containers were created during the pod's lifetime, this would significantly increase the size of the pod object. Is this a concern?
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I don't think it's much of a concern, but we'll want to address this as part of garbage collection. Garbage collecting debug containers will cause this list to shrink. I think we'd want to make garbage collection configurable by cluster admins, but I'm not planning on this for the initial alpha release.
Alternatively, it might be reasonable to create some sort of MaxDebugContainersPerPod
tuning parameter. What do you think?
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I think keeping a maximum "terminated" debug containers is an acceptable first step.
By the way, what's the purpose of keeping a list of ever-growing debug container statuses? We will have auditing soon for posterity already.
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This was attempting to solve a requirement from @derekwaynecarr about the ability in inspect debug containers. I hadn't heard about the auditing effort, but maybe that will better suit his requirements and then we wouldn't need any changes to GC.
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*Running Debug* requires new functionality in the kubelet and a new `kubectl | ||
debug` command that results in a new container being introduced in the running | ||
pod. This *debug container* is not part of the pod spec, which remains |
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Without modifying the pod spec, how does kubelet know to create the new debug container?
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It's created by a new API call. I'll clarify this in the doc.
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I think the doc evolves over time and the result is that many important points are not mentioned early enough. I'd suggest giving the overview of the mechanism before diving into specific details.
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You're right, I think a rewrite may be in order.
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If the specified container name already exists, `kubectl debug` will kill the | ||
existing container prior to starting a new one. It's legal to reuse container |
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Why not error out and let users decide whether to kill the previous debug container or not? Replacing the container directly may cause confusion.
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I thought it would be a convenient way to kill or replace the container, but I agree the implicit container might be confusing. Perhaps it would be preferable to require the user to kill the process before attempting to replace the container.
I do feel strongly that it should be possible to replace containers that have already exited, though.
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I think asking the user before replacing it is more reasonable.
Another thing is that the container names cannot be reused as long as the container still exists, even if it already exited. You'll need to remove (GC) the container, which may cause the loss of one "DebugContainerStatus".
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I never needed to investigate this because it "just worked" when I did the naive implementation. The exited container is replaced and the DebugContainerStatus is lost.
Since this is closely related to GC, let's just remove it as a blocker for the alpha by disallowing container name reuse in all cases (for now).
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Without modifying the pod spec, you'd be relying on kubelet to remember this request. If kubelet restarts before creating the container (or if the container crashes for other reasons), it will never be (re-)created without kubelet persisting the request somewhere. This may be okay but it should be stated clearly in this proposal.
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container spec. As with other `kubecontainers`, their state is persisted in the |
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s/state/type ?
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I meant all state is currently persisted via the runtime.
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I wouldn't say we persist the state (which changes). We mostly persist the spec.
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By state I just meant "the list of containers and their metadata". I'll change this to "metadata" to make it more clear.
This step adds methods for creating debug containers, but doesn't yet modify the | ||
kubelet API. The kubelet will gain a `RunDebugContainer()` method which accepts | ||
a `v1.Container` and creates a debug container. Fields that don't make sense in | ||
the context of a debug container (e.g. probes, lifecycle, resources) will be |
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Please define the valid fields for a debug container.
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Done
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The kubelet will treat `DEBUG` containers differently in the following ways: | ||
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1. `SyncPod()` ignores containers of type `DEBUG`, since there is no |
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What happens if the pod restarts (e.g., infra container died and gets recreated)? What would happen to the debug container?
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It will be killed and not restarted. When an infra container dies the kuberuntime manager explicitly kills every container in that pod as reported by the runtime.
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But the proposal said SyncPod
would just ignore the debug containers.... It can't really ignore AND compute changes for the debug containers. I'm a little bit concerned about the increased complexity of the code which may at times ignore the debug container. I know this is the implementation detail, but please make sure the logic clear and readable in the code.
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You're right, there's an edge case in sandbox restarts where a debug container should be killed prior to pod deletion, but it's not a complex one. I've updated the proposal to reflect this. If you'd like to see the added SyncPod complexity, it's here:
https://github.com/verb/kubernetes/pull/3/files#diff-8da51ab012ecbdf2b013ecbcf1c37033
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The kubelet will gain a new streaming endpoint `/debug` similar to `/exec`, |
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kubelet already has a /debug
endpoint. Need another name.
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whoa, somehow missed that. Ok, will rename to.. umm... "podDebug", which seems similar to existing endpoint "containerLogs"
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The kubelet will gain a new streaming endpoint `/debug` similar to `/exec`, | ||
`/attach`, etc. The debug endpoint will create a new debug container and | ||
automatically attach to it. |
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Is it allowed to create a non-interactive debug container?
Also, creating and starting a container may take a long time (e.g., pulling down the image). Wouldn't this affect the user experience?
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I'd like to allow for the non-interactive use case, but not necessarily the detached use case.
If it took a very long time container creation might affect user experience, but I don't see any way around it. definitely open to suggestions.
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* Separate "Copy Mode" to another PR for another time. * Describe feature in similarity to `kubectl exec` * Simplify feature description, move non-essential supporting sections to Appendices.
Rewrite to implement @yujuhong's suggestions re: format. Simplify and move non-essential info to Appendices. Also addresses all comments from previous commit (afaik). |
@verb regenerating the podSandboxConfig when creating a debug container should not be problematic, since we regenerate it when restarting containers as well. |
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Implementation looks good. Just a couple general questions. Apologies if they have already been discussed
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This creates an interactive shell in a pod which can examine and signal all | ||
processes in the pod. It has access to the same network and IPC as processes in | ||
the pod. It can access the filesystem of other processes by `/proc/$PID/root`, |
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why organize the filesystem by process instead of container? Does this mean that if I have 2 processes within a container, ill have two different ways of seeing the same root filesystem? Would it make more sense to place the filesystems as /container_name/
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It's just because we get that for free with Linux. Originally I had intended to cross-mount the filesystems as you suggest, but that requires a change to the CRI which was contentious, so we agreed to start with this.
You're correct that there would be multiple ways of viewing the same filesystems, though technically they could be different mount namespaces.
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Ok, that makes sense.
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How does this work if there are multiple debug containers in the same pod? Do the debug containers see each other?
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Yes, as long as there's a shared PID namespace, which is enabled by default for 1.7. This feature relies on a shared PID namespace.
One way in which `kubectl debug` differs from `kubectl exec` is the ability to | ||
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Container. The `-r` option to `kubectl debug` is translated to a `reattach=True` |
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why not implicitly reconnect, instead of making the user specify it? The only case I can think of is if the user wasnt aware that the debug container was running, and somehow mucks with a running debug container accidentally.
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I like the idea of implicit reconnection, but I'm not sure how to handle the container parameters in that case. For example, say one user runs kubectl debug -it pod -m debian -c debug -- bash
and, while that's running, another user runs kubectl debug -it pod -m alpine -c debug -- ls /
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The kubelet will receive a v1.Container with an image and args that differs from the existing container. The easiest thing to do would be to discard the new v1.Container and attach to the running container, but that would be confusing to the second user.
We could compare the provided v1.Container to the existing ContainerStatus and only reattach if the run time arguments are identical, but that might still be confusing for user 2 if she didn't notice user 1, so I just opted for requiring explicit behavior.
I'm a big fan of implicit behavior and reasonable defaults, though, so I'd be happy to change this if we can work out the details.
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That makes sense.
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Does the debug container exit when you disconnect from it? That would seem like generally desirable behavior to me, as it would guarantee that only debug containers that actively are being used stick around.
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If you're disconnected involuntarily (network interruption, pkill -9 kubectl, etc) then the container continues running so that you can reattach where you left off. The only way to disconnect intentionally is to terminate the process (exit a shell, ^C a process, etc) which would cause the container to exit.
We could improve upon this by adding an escape sequence to kubectl, but probably not in time for an alpha in 1.7.
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just curious: Is there a use case around debugging with state? Basically, is there ever a case where a user would care that they start a new container rather than return to an older debug container?
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The only person that's mentioned it so far is @smarterclayton here: #35584 (comment)
I like the idea of being able to reattach, but it's not a hard requirement for our own use case. I kept it for the alpha because it was so easy to implement.
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Right. I guess my question is more around whether or not to expose that functionality to users if they dont need it. With regards to @smarterclayton's comment, if a user needs to be aware of the different debug containers that are active in order to use the tool effectively, then we need to expose that to them. The alternative is to make the debug command act the same way regardless of what other debug containers exist, similar to how exec works (I think). Essentially the behavior would be to always start a new debug container, and always clean up the debug container after the session exits.
It isn't necessary to make the decision before the alpha implementation though. But it may be difficult to remove reattach functionality after we add it, even if it is just an alpha.
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No matter what we choose for reattach, active debug containers will be listed with names via kubectl describe pod
My gut feeling is that reattach will be something people want, but I don't want to paint us into a corner. What if we just do implicit reattach for the alpha and live with the surprising behavior? That way we haven't added any parameters to the API that we might have to support.
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I think that would work well.
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I updated the alpha feature scope section of the doc to reflect this.
This proposal LGTM |
Moved PR to kubernetes/community#649 to be merged. |
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
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Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
Automatic merge from submit-queue. Propose a feature to troubleshoot running pods This feature allows troubleshooting of running pods by running a new "Debug Container" in the pod namespaces. This proposal was originally opened and reviewed in kubernetes/kubernetes#35584. This proposal needs LGTM by the following SIGs: - [ ] SIG Node - [ ] SIG CLI - [ ] SIG Auth - [x] API Reviewer Work in Progress: - [x] Prototype `kubectl attach` for debug containers - [x] Talk to sig-api-machinery about `/debug` subresource semantics
What this PR does / why we need it: Initially described in #27140, this PR proposes a feature to better support minimal container images (i.e. images built from scratch) by adding a new
kubectl debug
to run a container in a pod namespace or create an ad-hoc copy of a pod. This is useful for developers writing native Kubernetes applications that prefer not to ship an entire OS image.Special notes for your reviewer: SIG Node asked me to send this PR to facilitate further discussion.
Release note: None, this PR contains only a proposal.
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