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If the apiserver gave you a clue like "this field doesn't like to be PATCHed" - could kubectl fall back on PUT?

@thockin What do you have in mind here? Would apiserver be able to tell us that we need to retry with PUT? And what would that look like?

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In theory, we could add it to something like the OpenAPI, so that you could look at a patch and say "oh, this won't work, let's fall back on PUT" or even just throw an error like "apply uses PATCH and this operation modifies a field which doesn't like to be patched - consider kubectl replace instead".

Before we go designing that API machinery, I wanted to see if I was just being dumb and there's some reason we would not be able to do it.

How will this interact with our (potential? confirmed?) plan to deprecate and remove client-side apply?

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Do we think that this is something that would cause issues for downstream users? I agree that this could be useful for people that interact directly with kubectl but I'm thinking of automated systems that may expect a failure due to expected client side behavior. I can imagine some solutions to get around this (kuberc) but just want to gauge if people think this would be a real problem or if we could just shove it directly into kubectl.

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I think this is like introducing a --force flag for edit.
Could we directly use a PUT instead of PATCH when this flag is given instead of doing a fallback. This way even even the downstream users will not be impacted.

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