On the left is the provided USD file as a USD stage in Maya. On the right is the same material using a MaterialXSurface shader:

Hi there, @JGamache-autodesk,
I'd call this currently a known limitation... there are stakeholders at Pixar who are concerned about supporting per-attribute colorSpace metadata in Hydra, both for performance reasons, and because of the implications on all renderers to support it, if we did. We need to discuss this further internally and with the MaterialX folks, but have unfortunately had many competing priorities. So I can't yet give you a timetable for this, though I sympathize that the state we are in is currently really confusing, as USD does allow authoring colorSpace metadata and translates it in the usdMtlx reader.

Filed as internal issue #USD-6703

Hi - we're dealing with some fallout from this failure to roundtrip MaterialX colorspace information as well. Are there any updates?

If not - @spiffmon, can you provide some clarification on how fixing HdMtlxCreateMtlxDocumentFromHdNetwork to preserve colorspace expands the scope of the problem? It's input is a USD file, and output is a MtlxDocument... I could see your case if we were talking about the opposite direction (Mtlx to USD)... but, as you note, usdMtlx is already authoring colorSpace in that direction.

Until / unless you decide to revert that decision (and make usdMtlx NOT author colorSpace in USD), I feel the right thing to do is make HdMtlxCreateMtlxDocumentFromHdNetwork play by the same rules. The current situation is a bit like we've built an offramp that abruptly ends 20 feet from the edge of a ravine. We should either build a bridge over the ravine or tear down the offramp. We can't say we don't have a problem just because we haven't paved the last 20 feet. 😉

From a larger perspective... it's a recurring pattern where we have questions of how to deal with non-homogeneous or poorly formatted input data. Frequently, there's a way to automatically correct it at runtime, but it has performance implications. So in an environment where you can enforce quality control and homogenization on input data (ie, a studio environment), implementing such automatic runtime fixes has little benefit and tangible downside.

I think we could start adopting the general pattern of having an auto-fix system that can be disabled via an option somehow, accompanied with checks for situations that would require the fix.

ie, in this situation, we could add the option to do per-attribute colorspace handling, which is on by default. Studio environments that can ensure input colorspaces are consistent can disable colorspace correctives, and still get the maximum performance. And we add in a validation that there are either no declared colorspaces, or that they have the "expected" value. (The validation isn't really required, but would be nice!) As for renderers - they can declare whether or not they support colorspace correctives (and we can optionally run validations if they don't.)

Thoughts?

Hi @pmolodo , thanks for your patience... the MaterialX community has been patiently waiting for this for some years now. The good news is that we're prioritizing colorSpace work, and expect to start early in the new year. Some of our thoughts about it:

• We plan to only do the work in Hydra 2.0, which will make it much easier, and allow the implementation to be much more efficient
• We will at least address the MaterialX roundtripping issue (though the "working colorSpace" will need to come from the USD document itself, as the recently added [renderingColorSpace])(d30157e).
• Doing so will also require transforming color primvars, pre-render-delegate, in a scene index, and we may initially lean on OCIO exclusively, though that could become a plugin point, as the OM does allow specification of a color management system
• We also plan to extend colorSpace metadata to be applicable to prims, inheriting hierarchically, as it does in MaterialX
• A stretch goal for this round would be to upgrade Storm and the glslfx implementation of UsdUVTexture to handle texture color transformations beyond srgb, also.