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Problem with export - Colour profile only HD (1-1-1)

Hi,


I'm making a time-lapse of Aurora, I've edited my images in Pixinsight and they are 16bit tiff files, Adobe RGB.


I create a new project, 6000x4000 25fps and rec. 709.


I set each frame to be 2s long.



No matter what format I export to, it says "Colour profile: HD (1-1-1)".



I believe it's not suitable for such high res video?


My camera is Lumix S5 and it takes 14bit RAWs.




Files detail:




Single frame:




All frames:




Thanks


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Mac mini, macOS 14.5

Posted on Jul 15, 2024 11:54 AM

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Jul 17, 2024 7:31 PM in response to a6400

Although Rec.2020 is often described in conjunction with an HDR spec like HLG or PQ, by itself it mainly entails a broader color space, not greater dynamic range. So plain Rec.2020 is about equal to Rec.709 dynamic range.


Rec.2020 supports a wider color gamut but your ability to see that will depend on whether your monitor is capable of Rec.2020. Given a Quicktime video file, MacOS ColorSync will read the 9-1-9 NCLC tags and transform the incoming Rec.2020 color to whatever your monitor display profile is.


Newer Macs with 27" Apple Studio or 32" Display Pro XDR monitors, the new MacBook Pros with Liquid Retina Screens and the newest iPad Pros have a preset system which (on MacOS) is in System Settings>Display. By default that preset is P3-500 nits or P3-1600 nits. Those look pretty good if the Quicktime file is tagged properly.


Other Macs have the previous ICC color profile system, and they typically don't look as good on Rec.2020 material, but each one can be different.


So, we are in a transitional period regarding wide-gamut displays, and the issue is not what you see but what equipment your viewers have and what they will see. As mentioned above, this also includes the distribution system and playback software. It is a complex test matrix.

Jul 16, 2024 6:34 PM in response to a6400

Probably the start of each clip in the timeline is the start of the media, meaning no extra handles to dissolve into.


Here's one way to fix it:


Select all the clips in the timeline and press command-d then +2. then Enter. (The period after the two is important.) This will extend their durations by 2 seconds.


With all the clips still selected, click the time remap button and choose Reverse Clip.


With all the clips still selected, press command-d then -2. then Enter. This will shorten the end of the clips (which since they've been reversed is actually the beginning.)


With all the clips still selected, click the time remap button and choose Reverse Clip again. This will put them back in the original orientation but the in-point of the clips is now 2 seconds into the media, giving you handles for dissolves.


Finally, with all the clips still selected you can now double-click the dissolve icon and the default 1 second dissolve should be added between all clips.

Jul 17, 2024 6:52 PM in response to a6400

What ISO were you shooting at? That is a key factor in determining dynamic range, which in turn determines the need (or lack thereof)for an HDR video export format. See attached photographic dynamic vs ISO graph for a Lumix S5.


E.g, if you used ISO 3200, the dynamic range is about 7.5 stops, so in that case Rec. 2020 HLG will not display anything greater than 7.5 stops which fits within Rec.709.


If you used ISO 100, the dynamic range is about 11.5 stops, which is above the dynamic range of Rec.709, so using Rec.2020 HLG might help.


However -- that is only useful if the playback device can display the HDR version. If uploaded and streamed from the web, it also depends on the web site. E.g, Youtube does not support Rec.2020 HLG in a format that is supported by MacOS Safari, but Vimeo does.

Jul 20, 2024 3:18 PM in response to joema

Thanks.

I'm using 55 OLED TV as my display and iPhone 13 Pro Max.


I would like to smallest possible amount of noise and 14bit if possible, since I think my .tiff files are 14bit.

What would you suggest?


I can export in one format and then use Handbrake for more options.


If I export Rec 709 in ProRes 4444 XQ, will it be 12 bit? If yes then I could use Handbrake and convert it to H265 12bit.


Jul 16, 2024 12:27 PM in response to a6400

You said high res again (that is short for resolution) and you are confusing terminology: dynamic range, color space and frame size. You can have a 4K or 8K (resolution) Rec709 (color space) in an SDR (dynamic range) project. Are you a photographer with no experience in video and FCP by any chance?


Anyway, you can use a Wide Gamut library and a Rec2020 project if you have a suitable HDR monitor (e.g. a MacBook Pro with XDR screen). If you don't have a suitable monitor then you are stuck with SDR which is still what most people use.


By the way, for timelapse, you probably want your stills to be just 1 frame long.


If you don't understand any of this you need to go back to the basics - there is a load of info out there on these topics and a lot to lesrn. It's beyond the scope of what I can explain in a few sentences I'm afraid.

Jul 16, 2024 12:59 PM in response to Clint Gryke

I have a hdr display but have hdr turned off.

I thought 1-1-1 is mostly used for lower res video, isn’t it 8bit only?


Afaik Rec. 2020 would be a better option but I don’t see such option anywhere.


As for 2s long frames I have tested it already and like the result, it’s aurora borealis I don’t want it to flash like lasers and its only like 70 frames.



Jul 16, 2024 2:03 PM in response to a6400

Turn on HDR on your monitor and do as Tom says - Wide Gamut Library, Rec2020PQ or Rec2020HLG project. Adobe RGB is not ideal as the color space for creating the stills but I'm not familiar with the app you are using. I use Lightroom where you can gradr in HDR and export the stills as HDR Rec2020 which gives beautiful HDR stills in FCP. Short of Rec2020 tags for the stills, either P3 or even sRGB will probably look better than AdobeRGB in FCP. P3 is better than sRGB for HDR projects for sure but Rec2020 is best if your app will do it.


As I said in my previous post, Rec709 SDR (1-1-1) is about color and is not related to resolution (HD). The resolution (frame size which can be HD, 4K, 8K) is independent of the color.

Jul 16, 2024 3:03 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

Thanks! That did the trick.


Now it exports as "BT.2020 (9-1-9)". (didn't select HDR gamut)


As for cross dissolve the 2s images are too short to apply it, at least this is how I understand it.

I had to export it as Pro Res 422 since h264/h265 doesn't support this gamut.


Now I wonder if there is huge difference between 422/422 HQ/4444 or 4444 XQ.


422 is 939 MB, while the other 3 codecs are exactly 938.9 MB which I don't really understand?

Jul 16, 2024 3:19 PM in response to a6400

As for cross dissolve the 2s images are too short to apply it, at least this is how I understand it.


That’s incorrect. The default transition is one second. You can see the default duration even shorter in FCP Settings. You might try using the Flow transition that is specifically designed to be short and to mix similar images.

Jul 16, 2024 3:26 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

I've tried dissolve and flow, by selecting all images and double clicking on dissolve.


Then I get an error:


"There is not enough extra media beyond clip edges to create the transition.


Do you want to overlap (ripple trim) your media to create the transition? This may decrease the total duration of your project."


I guess I'm doing something wrong...

Jul 16, 2024 3:54 PM in response to a6400

I wonder if there is huge difference between 422/422 HQ/4444 or 4444 XQ

There are not enough differences for people to notice the difference. If you zoom in considerably, you might be able to spot the difference.


422 is usually sufficient unless you have special circumstances. Increasing the capacity will only put a burden on the viewer who plays the video. If the capacity is large, it will be compressed on the SNS side.



This may decrease the total duration of your project.

Please show the editing screen in detail with a screenshot. There is no margin at either end of the clip, so you can't add a transition. This can be solved by extending the length.

Problem with export - Colour profile only HD (1-1-1)

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